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Sun Sep 16, 2007 at 08:06:04 PM EST
cross-posted @ daily kos
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September 26, 2007 - Hanover, New Hampshire commentary :: :: :: buzz-it! ![]() Well, all the hoopla and "O" press has winded down. Still throughout the week the MSM was talking about the "O" & "O" affect. From this standpoint, it was a hell of a party, a lot of monies was raised, folks were still talking about it throughout the week, and Obama is Oprah's candidate for her talkshow couch. Nuff said.
Obama Was Taken to School by Rush and Learned the Hard Way The rise of Barack Obama includes one glaring episode of political miscalculation. Even friends told Mr. Obama it was a bad idea when he decided in 1999 to challenge an incumbent congressman and former Black Panther, Bobby L. Rush, whose stronghold on the South Side of Chicago was overwhelmingly black, Democratic and working class.
NY Time Gets It Wrong On Obama
Iraq, Immigration, Univision The candidates were asked why they supported a wall along the Mexican border _ and not a similar fence along the U.S.-Canadian border _ a question that seemed to catch them somewhat off-guard. Most avoided answering directly, saying simply that they believed security was a key part of comprehensive immigration reform.
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Obama and Iraq Obama proposes pulling all combat brigades out of Iraq by the end of next year. This plan will leave a small amount of troops in Iraq to battle terrorists, continue training Iraq personnel and to watch American interests. It is an aggressive plan, one that has come under fire, but we all know what that is about, after his Pakistan speech. A speech which foreign analysts and his contemporaries, in the end sided with Obama.
Speaking in Iowa, Mr. Obama combined an attack on both parties in Washington for having gotten the United States into the war with the outline of an approach for getting out that immediately drew criticism from the left of his party for being too timid and from Republicans as being irresponsible. There really is no one with the exception of Gravel,Kucinich and possibly Richardson, who can tout and criticize why we are in Iraq. The left of the party want total out, and who does not? The right, Republicans, want us to stay the course, or whatever course it is now. Sorry, that course keeps changing every time President Bush opens his mouth.
"The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops," Mr. Obama said. "Not in six months or one year -- now." Well, it would be insufficient, but this is about troop reduction with the eventual, OUT. This is what Americans want.
Polls suggest that there is considerable public support for the approach outlined by Mr. Obama. In the latest New York Times/CBS News poll, 56 percent of Americans said they favored reducing troops levels in Iraq, but leaving some forces in place to train Iraqi forces, fight terrorists and protect American diplomats. No matter who you talk with, Americans do understand that we cannot "yank" troops out with an "adios" to Iraq. We started the mess in the Middle East, though it was under fraudulent means, The United States of America, in the end is responsible. And the careful getting out, as careless as we were getting in, is very applicable here. Yes, whether we like it or not.
Full Text of Obama's Iraq Speech
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kos, kerfuffle & misinterpretation The article was based on Obama being frank, stating that the Senate does not have the votes to push through legislation, at this time about Iraq.
Despite the Iraq war's unpopularity, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Thursday that Congress lacks the votes to force a timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops and will focus instead on putting a ceiling on the number deployed. What is wrong with this? Let's be real here. Jonathan Singer on mydd wrote a diary today stating 60 Votes Does Matter. And guess what? It does!! And 67 votes is cause for popping champaign, because you can override a presidential veto. So, why the kerfuffle? kos' vent was the question if Obama will stand up and fight for anything? Well, those that are supporters were livid, and rightfully so. Then, kos gets the full remarks of what Obama said, EXACTLY, from his campaign. See, got to have the audio going 24/7, because if you leave it to any reporter, guess what happens? Your words get skewed. Well, kos then back peddled and did the right thing, called, a "correction". And the Obama Campaign must have had some choice words for the AP reporter, Mike Glover, because his article was revised. So, what did we learn through all of this? That when you start writing, yes these diaries, you should have more than one article, information, etc., to back up the consensus of what you are writing. And if you are going verbatim of what a candidate has to say, let's get the full text of what the candidate said. Why? Words can be interpreted different ways by people, period. Go to a play. At the intermission, just listen to what people have to say about the play, thus far. You will get different opinions from practically everyone. So, if we are serious about what these politicians say, exactly, let's write about that, exactly. kos did the right thing, he knew he was wrong, and he corrected, himself. I am sure he will not put his foot in his "laptop", again. And neither, should we.
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p.s......Best Two Speeches at Harkin Steak Fry...Edwards & Obama
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icebergslim's last word: iraq, no "adios" I have been extremely critical, angry about what has happened in Iraq. I have been disappointed in our government, the politicians who voted for the authorization of Iraq, and the lame media (MSM) who were afraid to report, challenge and fight for the truth coming out of Iraq. I only want to hear to words, GET OUT! Well, teacherken, put it out there and sadly, he is right.
Mr. Bush is right, though not in the way he intended. The United States must withdraw, that has become evident, but cannot leave the way we left Vietnam, in a paroxysm of self-absorption, political manipulation, escapism and shame, in which the fates of the Vietnamese became simply collateral damage in our struggle with ourselves. The planning for withdrawal must include provisions for the security of Iraqis who put their faith in us, and that means resettling many of them in the United States. We must not make the same mistake again. For us to just think that we can leave Iraq with no consequences, is looking at this war with rose colored glasses on. We can't. It is simple as that. What the United States of America did was invade a country with no proof of "weapons of mass destruction", dismantled its government, moved over 100K contractors into Iraq, doing god knows what, opened this country up to terrorism, and a continuing mountain of debt being paid by our banker China. That is the reality of Iraq. I know and understand, our troops being sacrificed on a plate, diced up by congress, and dying daily, is a horrible option. The truth is we just cannot pull out, say "adios", "it's been one, Iraq". No we cannot. No one is angrier about this war than me. No one is more untrusting of any politician, than me. No one is more pissed off after listening to George W. Bush, on Thursday, stating that we will be in Iraq for decades, than me. But, the reality is that we are responsible for what has happened in the Middle East. We are. No presidential candidate running for office can pull out all the troops. They cannot. And to promise to do so, would be a fallacy. We are responsible for over or close to a million Iraqis being killed. We are responsible for these families being removed from their homes in Iraq, to become refugees. We are responsible for no schools, medical care, city services, crime, destitution, yes we are. But more importantly, we are responsible for not listening to the Arab nations who told us "not to invade", and look what it has cost us and this region. We are not leaving, because these Arab countries cannot afford to let us leave. Until strong, fervor diplomatic solutions are to partake, we will continue to be in Iraq. These diplomatic solutions is with everyone at the table, yes, even the "axis of evil" which constitutes other countries and "insurgents", that Bush don't like. This is not going to happen by the time Bush leaves office, by the time the next president enters office, and may not even conclude the first term of the next president. This is the reality. Do I like this? No. But the reality is that no presidential candidate can afford all the troops out. Not a one. And until we can sit everyone at the table, until all can come to a conclusion, this war will continue. Just keepin' it real, folks.
Shoutouts: the next president's already screwed; 60 votes does matter, johnathan singer; renters taking the squeeze; horizonr's great diary on netroots double standard on edwards and obama; jena 6, you need to know about this; jena got justice; nyceve is again, spot on; housing market a "perfect storm"; jeffrey feldman, correct, on the gop's manuevering of the moveon.org ad; mcjoan; bored now; CPDem81, you need to read this about lobbyists; ocean circulation; pbs apologizes for brooks; recession emminent?; paul hogarth; abc "anti" sicko; a critical, but fair diary by psifighter37; black kos; gop's savior alan keyes, yes him, again; little progress on iraq; moratorium on fast foods; alcopops???; FishOutofWater; iraq must read; meteor blades; iraq body count; not only WHEN we leave, but HOW we leave; clammy c, on it again; a president for all white people?; and tip my obama jar, here
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