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What punishment is suitable for having an abortion?

by rcs1

Anna Quindlen for Newsweek brings a new dimension to the abortion debate:

    Buried among prairie dogs and amateur animation shorts on YouTube is a curious little mini-documentary shot in front of an abortion clinic in Libertyville, Ill. The man behind the camera is asking demonstrators who want abortion criminalized what the penalty should be for a woman who has one nonetheless. You have rarely seen people look more gobsmacked.

As part of her article, Quindlen touches on the abortion issue being just one small part of the much broader issue of women's rights.


commentary :: :: :: buzz-it!
    [...] Perhaps by ignoring or infantilizing women, turning them into "victims" of their own free will. State statutes that propose punishing only a physician suggest the woman was merely some addled bystander who happened to find herself in the wrong stirrups at the wrong time. Such a view seemed to be a vestige of the past until the Supreme Court handed down its most recent abortion decision upholding a federal prohibition on a specific procedure. Justice Anthony Kennedy, obviously feeling excessively paternal, argued that the ban protected women from themselves. "While we find no reliable data to measure the phenomenon," he wrote, "it seems unexceptionable to conclude some women come to regret their choice to abort the infant life they once created and sustained."

    [snip]

    Those ancient notions undergird the refusal to confront the logical endpoint of criminalization.
These are issues that don't just divide along party lines. In 2004 there were people who didn't just vote for George Bush, they voted against John Kerry. These voters -- some lifelong Democrats -- voted for Gore in 2000, yet in a critical election, the Republicans were able to swing their vote. Why? because politics is personal.

In order to stem the impact of the Religious Right in the area of women's rights, we have to "frame" the issues.

    How much time should she do?

This is to become the centerpiece of a new education campaign by the National Institute for Reproductive Health, and is a very honest question. If abortion is "recriminalized" by the Supreme Court, then what is the penalty? Is it fair to punish a doctor for performing a procedure that was requested by a patient. Doesn't the patient bear some responsibility for the decision?

It is naive at best to think there are simple paths to "compromise" on "moral" issues. There is no "Leave it to Beaver" solution. We have to be pragmatic in how we view the problems and the solutions to the problems.

Having Mother at home baking cookies is not going to prevent Wallie from experimenting with sex, but a condom in his wallet might help prevent Wallie from becoming Father before he's ready.

Teenagers have sex because they can, not because their parents are divorced, or they are depressed, or they are doing drugs. Teenagers have sex because they are biologically ready. Or someone near them sees coerceable prey.

Poll

What punishment for pregnant Shrek?
Give Shrek life!
Declare Shrek mentally incompetent.
Insist on the death penalty for Shrek.
Sentence the pirate to hard labor.

Votes: 20
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You can't fight biology.  You can try but it will never work.  

by TXsharon on Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 10:03:32 PM EST
So often solutions don't really address reality.

by roxy317 on Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 10:14:54 PM EST
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I remember when abortion was still illegal and I even remember when I moved to Kansas from NYC and had trouble getting refitted from my diaphram. Really the bad old days, and I'm not kidding.

However although I am absolutely pro-choice I just want to say one thing about sex and biology. I think you agree. I just want to put it up front.

Sure sexuality is a biological given but love or at the least respect and affection count a lot for humans. I believe anyone who marries without living with the prospective mate first is a damned fool, and I believe that adolescence is definitely a joyously lustful time, but I am truly saddened that in our present mercenary culture the joy of sex can be debased into "hooking" and I deplore an environment in which young women can be pressured to perform oral sex in order to win popularity. That sort of thing.

by carol white on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 08:49:06 AM EST

Study finds there aren't many gender differences in reasons for intimacy

After exhaustively compiling a list of the 237 reasons why people have sex, researchers found that young men and women get intimate for mostly the same motivations.

It's more about lust in the body than a love connection in the heart.



by roxy317 on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 10:41:55 PM EST
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know some of the details of how women took care of business before abortion was legalized? I am sure some of the procedures are still going on today in communities where women are in poverty or too scared to be seen going into a clinic.

I was 21 when abortion was legalized....can't say I remember much about that time but there was a big sigh of relief amongst women that's for sure.  

Never forget....women can keep a secret...and they take care of their own.  

by avahome on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 09:31:34 AM EST

Hard labor of the delivery/birth variety?
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by wanderindiana on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 09:36:02 AM EST
me, accept/except

cho, tenants/tenets

by carol white on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 11:48:34 AM EST



by Cho on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 12:10:00 PM EST
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