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The iBrattleboro Wizards -- Pioneers in Netbased Citizen Journalism

by rcs1


When a slew of us from ePluribus Media went up to Amherst for the Media Giraffe summit, we were able to meet Chris Grotke and Lise LePage, the brains and organizing muscle behind the Media Giraffe Citizen Journalism track.

Founders of iBrattleboro, they were the creators of one of the earliest participatory journalism sites concentrating on giving local communities a "news outlet."

Aaron Barlow and I asked them if they'd be willing to answer a few questions for us, to share some of what being the online equivalent of a community developed newspaper is like. Their answers are below the fold.

For techheads, their site is developed using Geeklog, they created all their own graphics, and their entire staff is the two of them. Post any other questions you have for them below and we will see if we can get them to answer!


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1) When did you start iBrattleboro and what, if anything or site, was your inspiration to create a Citizen Journalism site?

C: We had the idea for a local site about the town when we moved to Brattleboro in 2001. We started on it, got distracted, and came back to the idea in 2003. We launched iBrattleboro.com in February of 2003. It wasn't called Citizen Jounalism at that point. What we were doing didn't really have a name that we knew of and was hard to describe - it's an online news thingie that the readers write.

L: We had been doing a community-style indie music site for several years, but in 2003, with the Iraq War a month away, the local paper in a shambles, and media consolidation on the rise, we felt it was time to bring the concept home.  So we started iBrattleboro as a way to bring people together and give them a forum for expressing themselves.  The concept was a local news outlet, written by and for citizens of the area.  

The site really took off, which indicates, I think, that we weren't the only ones fed up with the 'drumbeat' of mainstream media.  iBrattleboro was a way to get more voices into the mix in a time when the primary message was 'stay on message.'  

2) Who is your readership and what do you see as your purpose?

C and L: Readership is primarily local, which we like. We get many from Brattleboro and the surrounding towns, as well as expatriots and people planning on visiting or moving to town. Some others stumble onto the site via search engines and stories they find at iBrattleboro.

Ages range from teens to village elders. Most of the town offices read the site, as do the "movers and shakers" in town. We also get fringe elements of town who don't always find a voice elsewhere.

3) Did you have a model or business plan when you started?

C: Yes, you might say that. We joked about our ten year plan. We planned to start the site and let it grow naturally without much promotion, relying on word of mouth and the quality of the site to propel us forward. As the site grew we figured its reputation would also grow, and expect advertising to naturally follow to the area's most popular website within ten years to the point where iBrattleboro would pay the bills and we could do website work (our real jobs) for fun rather than rely on it as a business.

L: We're really not that hung up on the money aspect of the site.  As Chris said, the site is thriving and advertising dollars have (slowly) followed.  But we don't run iBrattleboro for the money.  And even if it never made us a dime, we'd keep doing it.

4) What makes iBrattleboro unique?

C: It's an extremely local use of the world wide web. It allows for anyone with computer access (available free at our library) to write and respond to news that has local importance. It is always on, and breaking news is often found on iBrattleboro first.

The way we moderate the site seems natural to us, but seems radical when we discuss it with others. Our non-editing scares most media operations, but it is one of the things that keeps iBrattleboro authentic. It fairly accurately reflects the opinions and views of people in town now, with nearly 200 "active" users at any given time.

L: I think local news forums where anyone can post are pretty rare.  At the last conference we attended, we met no one else who was doing what we do, which is to say, there are plenty of local news sites but very few where content isn't edited, filtered or restricted to a handful of professional writers.  But we're about free speech, if nothing else, and we stand by the free-wheeling iBrattleboro model.

5) What is a typical day for iBrattleboro?

C: Get up and check the site. Delete Russian spammers work from overnight (ads for porn). Go through new submissions and post them. Read all new comments and make sure people are generally behaving and following the policies. Deal with anyone who isn't. Answer an email or two about how to post something, a lost password, or other question relating to the site.

Add any comments or stories I have planned for the day. Check in with submissions and comments late morning, around lunchtime, early afternoon, late afternoon, around dinner, after dinner, and before bed.

We've been getting about 5-10 new stories a day lately. Some are press releases like those seen in the paper. Some are original articles. Some are opinion pieces. Some are questions.

Repeat every day of the year, even on vacation (we have one person who is trained to do this if we cannot get to a computer).

On an atypical day there might be a big breaking story, with us trying to keep up with on-the-scene reports and photos coming in. This has happened a few times.

Lise, care to talk about tech things? It isn't daily, but...

L: not really....

6) What is your "yardstick" for success?  For examples -- here are some things that many blogs cite as success factors:  Number of visitors;  Number of stories picked up by traditional media; number of sites linking to yours; ad revenue; number of writers creating stories; changes in the political arena that have occurred because of your presence.   What is the yardstick you are using and where are you now against that yardstick?

C: Well, number of visitors is a nice yardstick, as is registered users. We've had over 4 million page views and 1500 registered users since the site began.

Many of our stories are picked up by local media, and many of their stories are discussed on the site. Reporters read the site for ideas; readers respond to what they have heard in the local news.

Sites linking to us used to be neat to watch but we don't pay much attention to that now. Being local, we care mostly about local sites that link to us. Actually, we care the most about linking to them. We do get Google alerts when we're mentioned.

Ad revenue? We'll be concerned about that more later on. It is nice and does tell us that others see the site as a good place to reach potential customers.

Number of writers? Not so much the number but the variety and quality of the writing impresses me. I like when new users arrive and write a really great piece or comment.

Changes politically? I think we are helping push things in a more open and transparent direction, but work remains. It was certainly a reason that we started the site - to be sure there was an alternative to the single corporate newspaper in the town.

So what is our yardstick? It's a gut feeling about the site. We watch over it like a baby or pet, and are pleased with all sorts of little things that only a parent would appreciate -- outsmarting a spammer, watching a debate resolve smoothly, or seeing a great submission on a slow day.

7) There was a lot of discussion about blog ads and google ads at Media Giraffe and one of your key insights was your awareness of your audience and how they would react to Google ads. Can you elaborate?

C and L: Yes. Google ads look like Google ads. They look national and Brattleboro folks are smart enough to know that Google is not a local business.

Our site promises support for local business, and we only take ads that relate to locally owned people, businesses, venues, or events.

If we put up ads for national businesses such as a phone or car company, the money would be fine, but the principle would be damaged. We don't want our local business advertisers to ever have to worry that, say, their local restaurant will be up against a national chain.

We're a local business, ourselves, and want to help the little guys out there as best we can.

So, it's all about local ads for us, and supporting local business. Our site is a reflection of our town in that regard and should look as local as Main Street to local readers. Our Main Street doesn't have national chain stores.

It's a Brattleboro- thang... : )

8) What is the source of your greatest frustration?

C and L: People who get heated and start making personal attacks on other contributors - flame wars. Spammers are a close second.

9) What are your plans for future of iBrattleboro?

C and L: We've just added a wiki - the Brattleboro Community Brain Trust and will work with that for a while to get it up and running smoothly as a local resource. We're developing a classified ad system we hope to implement soon. We'd like to create an "assignment desk" for people to collaborate like a newsroom. Linking up into a national, AP-like system where we could send iBrattleboro's best stories, and perhaps gather some of the best from other places for a national page. That might come when other towns have good citizen journalism efforts going. Right now, it's a bit thin for that sort of enterprise.

Our plan is to continue to grow and become an even more trusted source for even more people in town, encouraging more people to write and contribute. We'd like to make a living off of the site someday, if possible. We'd like to find a suitable entity to hand it off to when we are old and grey, too.



Thanks Chris and Lise!

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. . . we don't run iBrattleboro for the money.  And even if it never made us a dime, we'd keep doing it.

What I wonder is what kind of reactions they received from existing media sources in Brattleboro: is/was there a locally-operated newspaper there?

And I wonder how the profit-driven react to those who just want to make a difference... I see this as the "next big thing" - the return of small businesses with a social conscience - especially if reclaiming government for the people, by the people catches on.

The community, the people must come first; they can no longer take a back seat to the multinational corporations, and the national union must work to serve them rather than vice-versa.
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by wanderindiana on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 12:00:35 PM EST

We had a locally-owned paper here a while back, but it was sold to Media News in Denver. When we started the site, MediaNews was our only connection to the newspaper news world.

We get along well with local media. Reporters like to check the site for stories (see today's paper for a story about 9-11 doubters that quotes from posts on our site); we like that they can amplify stories that start with us.  We also have many people who comment on stories they've read in the paper - using the site to continue or augment the discussion.

We've been "warned" by other local media folks that if we ever eat into their advertising profts, then the situation might change. : )

In town, we currently have two public access cable stations, one new independent community radio station, a new independent newspaper, and a new local call-in show on a commercial station serving the area.

One can exist without corporate media in our town if one chooses. Quite an option, eh? Now if we can just harness the power of what we have... : )

by cgrotke on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 12:43:56 PM EST
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The comment about advertising is a tad bit disturbing.  In the Twin Cities in MN we (so far) have balance between The Star Tribune and the Pioneer Press.

MNPublius as a website seems to be doing a good job, but is definitely left-leaning.

I like your concept, I like it alot!  Thanks, you've given US ideas.

by kfred on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 01:03:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Life is strange. I was in Brattleboro, briefly in the fall of 2001, after the retaliation began, late October, early November, on the way back from  Lake Sunapee area. We stopped for a Sunday brunch down town. It is a really beautiful town, and is nicely situated. Nice brunch too.
Now it is fun to find out what was growing there at the time. I think your local priority, and providing a forum for people to contribute through is a great way to go.
Where I am, in Virginia we have a freebie mailer paper, the web locally is purely commercial, it is a means for companies to advertize. There is no kind of community news and views and activity forum of the sort you are providing.
I should think it is a very good way of running ahead of the local papers with the news pretty much all the time, while also providing people with a way of talking about the broader world. Thank you very much for coming, and I hope you will keep coming back. Visiting here is much easier than driving up to Brattleboro, even if the result of the latter might be more fun!

by Chris White on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 01:59:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
We've been "warned" by other local media folks that if we ever eat into their advertising profts, then the situation might change. : )

This is really what I had in mind when I was wondering out loud... were you serious, or was that tongue-in-cheek?

Living in the shadow of Chicago, I can imagine the problem of limited advertising budgets in a community the size of Brattleboro, especially with the local advertising policy you have adopted (for which I have great respect, I should mention - what you said about doing it for free if necessary rings true).

Another question... have you ever considered distributing a print "highlights" newsletter to the community, say, on a monthly basis, to reach those who can't or won't go online? There is a monthly community newsletter where I live (a town of about half the size of Brattleboro) produced by a group from the chamber of commerce, distributed freely through the community. Do you think your advertisers underwrite such a project, were you interested? Or are you complacent with being an "online-only" entity, having your work "bubble up" into other community media sources?

I don't see such a strategy really working for ePluribus Media, but a community-based entity might benefit from such a two-pronged approach.
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by wanderindiana on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 08:08:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We really are on a slow and steady path, hoping that quality and reputation then turn into ad dollars some day.

We have no plans to do a print version, but we both have been supportive of our new local paper, The Commons. Lise has had a front page story there (reprinted from iBrattleboro) in just about every issue which helps get the word out.

I think advertisers would love us to do a print version - most of the folks around here only understand print and radio ads - but we don't have any interest.

by cgrotke on Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 10:24:19 AM EST
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...lacks the flexibility of an online site, and requires a completely different skill set, not to mention hardware.

Like you, I see no real reason to "expand" into print.  For me, that reflects old thinking that print is the "real" world of journalism, and that the online stuff is simply window-dressing or dilettante activity.

Eventually, that will change.  The world will recognize that online journalism (particularly "citizen journalism") is every bit as important and viable as print.

by Aaron Barlow on Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 11:08:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

at Media Giraffe came from the folks at HomeForum.

Their reader population is very rural, very farmer -- think New Hampshire Yankee.   They issue a special Election Day print version, that provides information on candidates etc., but they see print as solely an advertisement for their online newspaper...(kind of the reverse of the big print outfits model)... print as a way to "lure" their more old-fashioned readership into the world of online news.

by Cho on Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 11:48:13 AM EST
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My suggestion was aimed more towards issues of serving the community than it was about the perceived quality of the medium - about bridging that "digital divide."

The reasons I would consider a monthly print newsletter have to do with reaching those cut off from the online medium by economic/social/educational/etc. factors.

It's good to see that this is happening via the alternative news source that Chris mentions; that cooperation, in a way, serves the purpose I imagine for a newsletter.

Those with web based community sites without such support might opt for a newsletter as a means of reaching out to those who, for whatever reason, would not visit the web site. Use it to inform and to promote the new medium.
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by wanderindiana on Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 11:30:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Early on we found that people would print out stories and hand them around to others - the readers found away us not having a print version.

Our local library has free computer time for members, and we encourage folks without computers to give them a try.

In addition to reprinting a story each month in the new community paper, we're weekly guests on a local talk show each Wednesday and we use it as a way to amplify what people are writing on the site. It's AM radio (with lots of commercials, ugh) but I think this also helps reach people who might not be online.

We've also heard stories of people who have gotten computers and internet connections just so they could participate with iBrattleboro.

Finally, we occasionally will have an "iBrattleboro Night Out" for everyone to hang out and talk to one another in person (often at a bar), and Field Trips (why should kids be the only ones...) to places like the Nuclear Reactor Training Facility and the Water Treatment Plant. Letting people connect in person seemed like a good way to help keep the tone civil on the site, too - it's harder to flame someone you have met.

You make a good point that we didn't make in our interview too well - it is all about community. There is strong civics element to it - encouraging people to have a voice and a say in their local way of life.

Sometimes the site serves as therapy for the community - after the Iraq war started, or after the elections in 04, many felt like their feelings were not being expressed in mainstream media - iBrattleboro allowed for people to, say, question the voting in Ohio, while the big media moved on to proclaim a clear winner.

New attention is being paid to things like Selectboard meetings and elections, and because there is competition, all the local media has improved to a degree.

by cgrotke on Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 12:31:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

However, I think that, soon, worrying about that is going to be like worrying about the ability of the customer base to read in 1830s America.  When even cellphones are providing Internet access, it is soon going to be almost impossible not to be connected.

Sure, some people will opt out, just as the Amish have, from much of this--but these people will develop other ways of getting the information they desire--for themselves.

by Aaron Barlow on Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 02:09:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I've been getting some insight into local press ops from a couple of views. There are three features which form a circle in print, I think, which don't work the same way on line at all. Or may be they do, and someone could write about it. It would be interesting.

The three, and the order might be different are children, circulation and advertizing. Children are key. The effective local paper has to have great coverage of the local children and youth sports scene, with pictures, and the other activities which children and youth are part of, theater, concerts, ballet and stuff. There has to be lots of pictures. Then people become loyal readers knowing that every once in a while their kids will be in the paper. Scout troop cook out. Car wash fundraiser whatever. Environmental clean up and cook out.

I guess local online could do this, with posted, downloadable pictures and making albums available and stuff.

These "return visitors" build circulation. The circulation attracts advertizing which pays for the features and news coverage off the circulation generated by intensive interest in families, children and photographic potentials in local activities.

Of course the print process is more highly capitalized than the web because of the machinery, and really there is less possiblity of following who your readers are. But there is an awful of of attention paid to demographics and income profiles, both for shaping areas of coverage, and by advertizers who know what the effects of their local spending should be, and I think have ratios of in area spending to out of area spending given amounts of exposure and stuff.

Hope this is useful.

by Chris White on Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 03:32:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

population wise?  
I ask this because I live in a very small town in Texas...... Believe it or not....there is also no high speed internet available outside the city limits!!!!  So much of the info via newspaper for our town was thru a free newspaper thrown once a week.  That has been discontinued...no more freebies.  

by avahome on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 01:10:52 PM EST
We have about 12,000 people here. Very rural from an Internet perspective when we started - there was little DSL and cable modems were just rolling out in 2001. We still try to keep the site "modem friendly" by limiting the number of graphics that appear "above the fold" - letting people choose to click to see images and video seems to help.

We have some folks here who are off the grid, using solar power, and hop online for a couple of hours a week.

Our feeling and experience is that this type of site (or paper) works well in small towns - there is a natural community to grow from.

by cgrotke on Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 10:28:15 AM EST
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...on the use of the blogosphere as a "local" news source and sounding board.  As small market newspapers fold or get folded into conglomerates, I think its vital that this sort of use of the web takes root and thrives.

Jeff

by Jeff Huber on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 01:12:03 PM EST

One of the things I liked best when I visited the site was how aggressively local it is.  There's no sense that this is a "stepping stone" to "real" national journalism or career.

The alpha and omega is Brattleboro--I hope others will see the value in that for their own home communities, and emulate it.

by Aaron Barlow on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 01:37:22 PM EST

The local diner, or the bowling alley - that's where the best news was for local doings.

It has a "feel" about it.

by kfred on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 01:50:05 PM EST
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Thank you for doing the interview.  It's great to learn about other CJ ventures and how they work.  

I know your model doesn't include editing.  What about fact checking and vetting information?  

by standingup on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 02:21:34 PM EST

We edit what we write... : )  but yes, we have a policy of not really touching other people's words or changing them. Our edits are typically limited to Making Story Titles Start With Caps, putting paragraph breaks to make single, long paragraphs read well on the web, and maybe fixing a glaring spelling error.

Often, though, if something is riddled with punctuation and spelling errors, we leave it. It tells the reader something about the author that, if we cleaned it up, might otherwise be lost.

Fact checking generally comes out over time. All stories alow for comments, and people are taken to task by other site participants for all sorts of things - not signing their work, not identfying sources, jumping to conclusions, getting a detail wrong. Writers are generally quite responsible - we all live here and have to live with one another. No one wants to be known as a fraud.

There have been one or two times that an "incredible" story gets submitted with little to go on, and we do make a few calls to friends or reporters to see if it sounds legit ("There was a dead body found on XX Street" was one short story I recall...).

In a way, it is similar to ePluribus - a story goes up, and anyone who wants to add, comment, suggest corrections, etc. does so. It is different in that the article remains the same, and comments follow (not a wiki).

by cgrotke on Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 10:36:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

We were asked this by some newspaper folks once and Lise reminded them that "It wasn't iBrattleboro that printed stories that misled the nation to war"

In that regard, we're slightly more careful than Judy Miller and the NYTimes.

: )

by cgrotke on Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 10:50:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

in the near future!

(grin)

by Cho on Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 11:50:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

what a great interview, thanks for putting it together and giving us some of the inside view to the local landscape. It'd been some time since I was last there but I remember enjoying notices like this one, that warn residents of upcoming meetings :-) Selectboard/Traffic Safety Meetings Warned I also like the mix of very close-to-home issues with comments or pieces that require a birdseye vision. But you mentioned the Brain Trust wiki, I'd be interested to learn more about how you see that complementing what you two have working already in iBrattleboro and how you plan to implement it. I'm sure my other questions will coalesce after I'm back to the immediate task, will pop back in later for those. Great to have you at ePluribus, I hope we'll be doing more of the back-and-forth as well.


by luaptifer on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 03:54:51 PM EST

The Brain Trust is a result of people needing a place to store the bigger stories that don't change, or evolve slowly over time.  We want it to fill up with town history, for example, and information about town government. We have a nuclear plant nearby and would love for local concerned folks to do a timeline of the plant.

Right now, it's just getting going. We're doing lots of scanning and entering of historical information and photos to "stock" the site, and we're learning about wiki. A few people have checked it out and added things, but we'll need to take this proverbial show on the road and do some presentations to people to show them what it is and what it can be.

It is fun, though. Since starting it, when doing research for things about our town, we keep getting results from the Brain Trust. I think it will be very useful and popular as time goes on. Schools, especially, could have lots of fun with so much town history in one place.

by cgrotke on Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 10:44:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

And Chris and Lise...what a great pleasure to have met the both of you. You did a stupendous job with our track at MGP, and iBrattleboro shows that same attention to detail -- and fun. Cheers!
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