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Interview with Author Penny Coleman

by rcs1

If you've found your way over from our review of the recently-released and richly researched work by author Penny Coleman, you're in for a treat.

As Cho and I wrote:

"A chronicle of pain and passion, stress and suicide, Coleman's masterwork, Flashback: Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, Suicide, and the Lessons of War, demands our attention - most especially now as we embark upon what our leaders tell us will be war as far as the eye can see. In reading her tapestry of cold data and intimate recollections of one of America's most painful eras, we gaze backwards. Unfortunately, we find the familiar: the present - and possibly the future.

The author recently agreed to an interview with me, sharing her thoughts on war; suicide; the scars that inevitably flow from both; and how Americans need to come together to advocate for better resources for our newest generation of combat veterans.


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Ilona Meagher for ePluribus Media: In your book, you write that the story of the Vietnam war widow is invisible -- and one reason for this is the way "women's history and family history are commonly erased in the 'official' versions of events." Could you explain this in a little more detail?

Penny Coleman: The phrase "the personal is political" came out of the Women's Movement in the '70's and reflected a growing awareness that the circumstances of individual women were not necessarily of their own making. They were instead to be found in systemic, politically constructed institutions of power that delimited and limited available life choices and probable life experiences.

When I used the term, I meant to indicate that the individual experiences of the women whose stories are included in the book, and their families', were not necessarily due to our personal inadequacies, but were, in considerable part, politically determined and widely shared. The details may have varied, but the suicides we survived were neither unique nor an indication of our failure to adequately love or notice or intervene.

Unfortunately, there is a stigma attached to suicide in our culture that places the blame for such a death on the survivors. On top of that, there is an age-old belief that only weak or cowardly men fall apart in combat. Both assumptions are cruel as well as inaccurate. Flashback is an attempt to push back against those prejudices.

If we had known then that there were others out there whose lives had been similarly devastated, perhaps we would have been empowered to advocate for our veterans and for those yet to come. But we didn't. Our guilt and shame both isolated and silenced us. The government exploited our silence.

And so, more than thirty years after our troops withdrew from Vietnam, as veterans of that war continue to take their own lives, and as the suicides of soldiers in and recently returned from Iraq and Afghanistan relentlessly appear in the media, the relationship between combat, PTSD and suicide still has not been acknowledged.

IM: How do these emotions you mention -- guilt and shame, along with isolation -- affect those left behind following the suicide of a loved one? How do they get in the way of the usual grieving process?

PC: We were communities of one and we believed that we had failed. We had as well to deal with an inexpressibly conflicted anger, because the one we were angry with was the one we needed to mourn.  And on top of that, the fear that what had happened once might happen again continued to infect our lives and our relationships.

IM: In your interviews with military family members, did any of them have opinions on what should have been done -- what services or programs should have been offered -- once their troop returned back home? In a perfect world, what kind of reintegration care should a returning combat veteran receive when they arrive home?

PC: Before 1980, most PTSD veterans just thought they were going crazy, and their families blamed them and themselves when they couldn't cope. When PTSD was finally included in the DSM-IIIR in 1980, that began to change-- somewhat. At least there was an awareness, however limited, that the war was responsible for the symptoms. The families I spoke with, however, consistently described the VA as an adversarial, rather than a supportive, gatekeeper. PTSD diagnoses were hard to get, treatment options over-emphasized drugs, and disability compensation was usually so limited as to be an affront.

Despite what you may have heard from the new VA director, there is still no known cure for PTSD. There are only tactics for the management of symptoms. Those seem to be of limited use if they are not immediately available, and under the best of circumstances, they only work for some people some of the time. Almost all of the women I spoke to said their husbands were under VA care when they died.

In a perfect world, a great deal more energy would be put into solving international problems other than with soldiers. The military keeps experimenting with prophylactic measures (pre-induction screenings, in-service therapies, deployment durations, unit organization, training variants, post-service questionnaires, etc.), and hoping they have finally solved the problem. They have not. But their optimism has consistently translated into a lack of preparedness, a lack of resources, and a lack of commitment to preventive rather than curative measures.

That said, all of the following would be an improvement--which is to say that the suggestions on this list are not currently being done. Deploying soldiers should be thoroughly screened for any sign of past or current mental or emotional problems. Soldiers in a combat zone who express concern about their mental state should not be shamed and ignored, but sent immediately for counseling, if not home.

Psychotropic drugs should never be used in a combat zone. Every effort should be made to protect troops from injury, either mental or physical, and that would include putting them in situations where civilians are routinely killed.  When they come home, psychiatric evaluations should be mandatory and de-stigmatized, and there should be periodic follow-ups, perhaps for the rest of their lives.

Treatment for all war injuries, physical and psychiatric, should be absolutely free and compensation should be paid to those who can no longer work. Every candidate for the military, every soldier and every veteran should be thoroughly warned about the predictable incidence of PTSD and the statistical likelihood that it will end in suicide.

That is a wholly incomplete list, but it includes some of the true costs of war that are being currently ignored. If it seems prohibitively expensive, then perhaps we can no longer afford war.

IM: How about the Veterans Administration? Are they doing better than the DoD?

PC: I am not the right person to answer that question. I can't get past the stories of trying to charge wounded soldiers at Walter Reed for their lunches; or trying to have all of the 100% psychically disabled vets go through the process of recertification; or commissioning the Institute of Medicine to come up with a new definition of PTSD that will surely be less, rather than more, inclusive. I understand that VA surgeons are impressive and I know from personal experience that many of their psychiatric health care providers are self-selected truly caring human beings who work under difficult circumstances with a constantly shrinking support staff.

IM: Should the American taxpayer pay for counseling that may be needed for military family members following the return of a loved one suffering with PTSD -- or should the taxpayer only be responsible to foot the bill for the veteran?

PC: I don't understand why veterans' benefits aren't thought of in the same vein as workers' compensation. Why should a New York City police officer be treated better than a U.S. soldier?  If a soldier goes into the service in health and comes out with an injury, what conceivable argument can be made for not providing for his or her care?

Since the Revolutionary War, Americans have promised to take care of their wounded soldiers. If we decide we can't afford to do that, if we decide that the cost has simply become too high, and I would suggest that it has always been too high, then what we are saying is that we can no longer afford to use soldiers to solve our problems.

IM: How best can average, concerned citizens help our returning troops? What should they do to get their elected officials and the media on board to ensure programs and resources are in place for our returning veterans and their families?

PC: The social safety nets that most Americans assume to be in place have been systematically attacked over the past six years. The survival needs of soldiers and citizens alike have been sacrificed to a war that has made us more isolated and less secure in the world.  That war has also been used as an excuse to undermine the civil liberties that have traditionally protected those of us who would object or protest.

Republican and Democratic politicians alike, with very few exceptions, have failed to push back against this erosion. I understand that there are many Americans who see this war as necessary and legitimate, and who would disagree with me on many points, but what I am concerned with here is something about which I believe all Americans can, or should, agree: namely that we have an obligation to those we ask to risk their lives in our name.

It is astonishing to me that anyone who speaks out against this war risks swift-boating, including the families of casualties and of deployed soldiers.  Supporting the war is a litmus test for patriotism under this administration that few politicians and few media outlets have been willing to denounce.  It is our obligation to convince them all that they are safer with us than with them.

Military Families Speak Out's website posts links to groups that are actively trying to bring public attention to the needs of soldiers and veterans.

The 2006 election campaigns also promise to be forums for debating the war and its prosecution, and specifically what it means to support the troops and veterans. In New York, for example, Jonathan Tasini recently lost his bid for the Democratic nomination for Hillary Clinton's Senate seat. Tasini, an avowedly anti-war candidate, is supported by Cindy Sheehan, who said of Clinton, "I will resist her candidacy with every bit of my power and strength...I will not make the mistake of supporting another pro-war Democrat for president again." Tasini probably stands no real chance of beating Clinton, but he is mounting a grass-roots petition drive to get his name on the primary ballot, which would allow him to rip into her in front of her supporters, family and the national media.

Nationwide, similar local and state-wide protest campaigns are being mounted, some with a real chance of unseating an incumbent; some with no chance of winning, but the possibility of influencing party platforms and priorities. This election season politicians of all stripes will be forced to talk about how the troops are being supported. It is a critical time to be involved.

Not everyone wants to knock on doors, lick envelopes or speak at rallies. But when it comes to supporting the troops, the rhetoric has been high-jacked by the same people who are cutting the healthcare budget for the VA, allowing recruiters to cut corners, re-deploying troops beyond the military's own safety guidelines, using self-reporting questionnaires in place of pre- and post-deployment mental health evaluations, and on and on. We need to reclaim what it means to support the troops. For many, myself included, there is only one meaningful way to support the troops, by bringing them home immediately. But whatever our positions are on the war, all of us can make an effort to be more visible in our lives and more vocal in our concerns and opinions, especially where the welfare of the troops is involved.

Ilona Meagher writes for ePluribus Media and is the editor for the online journal PTSD Combat: Winning the War Within.

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Penny Coleman's work and words are a great addition to the national debate and the combat PTSD historical record. Thank you so much, Penny, for offering up your time for this interview!
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by ilona on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 09:38:41 AM EST
Just as I feel it is a privilege to be truly protected by the men and women of this country who serve for us, it was literally a privilege to read your book.

We owe them more than photo op duty.

by Cho on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 09:53:25 AM EST

I can't say it enough: everyone here at ePMedia is top of the heap, king of the hill, and thoroughly all right in my book. Honored to have the chance to collaborate with you on this one!
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by ilona on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 11:07:22 AM EST
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at the Journal here:The Corroding Effect

at kos

at Booman

and at MyLeftWing

by Cho on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 10:04:12 AM EST



by avahome on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 10:47:25 AM EST
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We can make good come of these experiences if we only try hard enough. I have to believe that...
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by ilona on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 11:08:52 AM EST
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It's important we support legislation that really supports our troops. Please take this one action today.

The Senate is currently debating the National Defense Authorization Act of 2007, S. 2766, and we need to make our voices heard on two issues especially.

From a Veterans for America broadcast email:

While there are several pro-veteran amendments being considered during debate on the issue, there are two in particular that deserve our immediate attention and support:

First, there are growing concerns about service members redeployed from the U.S. back to Iraq for a second tour after being diagnosed with a serious mental health problem, and some have committed suicide. That is why we ask you to urge the Senate to adopt an amendment sponsored by Senators Barbara Boxer and Joe Lieberman requiring a credentialed mental health professional to sign off before a service member diagnosed as having a duty-limiting (or serious) mental health condition can be ordered into a war zone.

Second, we are troubled by reports of veterans who are not aware of government benefits and services. That is why we urge you to ask the Senate to adopt an amendment sponsored by Senators Russ Feingold, Patty Murray, Barack Obama, Ted Kennedy and Jack Reed requiring the military to provide comprehensive Transition Assistance Program briefings about healthcare, employment, and other benefits so veterans don't miss out on benefits with time limits, such as healthcare and educational assistance.

Please contact your Senator today, by phone or by fax, and ask them to vote YES on all veteran-friendly amendments and in particular these two amendments. Use Veterans for America's easy online fax system to send a letter today.

Read more about the returning vets with PTSD to combat issue:

    * Sens. to DOD: Stop Sending Troops with PTSD Back to Combat
    * Troops Medicated, Returned to Combat
    * Hartford Courant: DOD Ignoring Troop Mental Health
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by ilona on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 11:45:57 AM EST

To ALL, Once Again!!

Your 'Single Focus' on this troubling subject will Help this New Generation of Veterans as well as those of the past, who as we all know are much out of site out of mind!

You not only have brought tremendous Public Exposure to this, you are keeping it in the forfront of mindset that can't be ignored!!

Ilona, this is the VFA Updated Newsletter, some of which you have above, this has an NPR Interview about the 'Unfit For War' subject:

June 22, 2006

Veterans for America took off this week, with a one-hour interview on National Public Radio and a front-page article in the Washington Post addressing the mental health needs of war veterans. Let's share the news about VFA and tell our friends about the problems facing veterans when they return home from 24/7 urban combat in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The response continues to be tremendous, with more than 400 new veterans signing up for VFA in the last four days. Even more impressive is how more than 1,000 supporters sent faxes to Senators asking them to support desperately needed pro-veteran legislation.

Unfit for War: VFA's Steve Robinson on NPR's On-Point Radio

On Wednesday morning, Steve Robinson, Veterans for America's Legislative Director, was interviewed on National Public Radio's On-Point. The show discussed the recent series of Hartford Courant articles which revealed that the military was rotating troops back to Iraq even after they'd been diagnosed with trauma and post-traumatic stress.

You can listen online here

You can also read Steve's blog online here.

Iraq War May Add Stress for Past Vets

The Washington Post this week reported an important story on Page 1, focusing on the increase in mental health services use by veterans from previous wars. According to the VA, PTSD compensation by VA has more than doubled since 2000, with most of the increase occurring after the invasion of Iraq.

Paul Sullivan, VFA Program Director, was quoted in the article: "PTSD is better understood than it once was...The veterans are more willing to accept a diagnosis of PTSD," he said, "and the VA is more willing to make it."

VFA Endorses Amendments to Defense Bill

VFA called for our supporters this week to contact their Senators and ask them to support two critical amendments to the defense authorization bill.

Your response was spectacular! Some Senate offices received dozens of faxes from our members, and they are still coming in. If you haven't yet sent your fax, it's not too late.

It's easy to send your message -- visit our online action center and send your message today.

Talk Back

With the launch of our new site, one of the key abilities we wanted to give veterans was a platform to speak up about the issues they are concerned about. If you are signed up with VFA, you can set up and post your blog today.

You can check out this month' blogs, respond to them, or post your own Here.

Support Our Work

You can help support our work. Consider a monthly contribution, or whatever you can send.

Veterans for America is a joint program of the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation (a non-profit, 501(c)(3) organization) and The Justice Project (a non-profit 501(c)(4) war veterans organization). Individual gifts made through The Justice Project are tax-deductible.

If you are interested in making a gift through a family or corporate foundation that can only support 501c3 organizations, you can also support our educational work through VVAF by contacting VVAF's development department at 202-483-9222.

Send a check

Checks should be made out to Veterans for America and mailed to:

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As always, thank you for your continued support for our work.

With highest regards,

Charles Sheehan-Miles
Associate Director
Veterans for America

Veterans for America
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202-483-9222

And with All the public exposure You All have given, I'm sure that the Following is a part of the Public Wanting To Study More, and Understand, PTSD!!!

Quest Books Wins Awards

The votes are in and we have good news to report about a couple of Quest's 2005 titles.  War and the Soul: Healing Our Nation's Veterans from Post-traumatic Stress Disorder by Edward Tick was recently named ForeWord Magazine's Book of the Year Award in Psychology.  This book also won honorable mention at the Independent Publisher Awards. Nicholas and Helena Roerich: The Spiritual Journey of Two Great Artists and Peacemakers by Ruth Drayer was a finalist in ForeWord Magazine's Book of the Year Awards and is nominated for a COVR (Coalition of Visionary Resources) award.  Results from the COVR Awards will be announced in the next two weeks.  We'll keep you posted.....

I'm passing on the your above Diary to many Interested Parties.

A 'BIG THANKS', once again, from myself on behalf of those I know who have Lived Many Years with the Trauma of Wartime PTSD!!

by jimstaro on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 07:04:44 PM EST
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Thanks back at y'all.  

Talk about the Iraq war resolution as polarizing the Senate?  87 to 13 AGAINST setting a withdrawal deadline doesn't sound polarized to me.  In fact, it sounds like approaching a consensus.  Scary.  

Every day, kids are being damaged, physically and mentally.  Can we at least agree not to support candidates who are unwilling to commit to a withdrawal deadline?

by Penny on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 12:20:30 PM EST

Thank you for writing this book.  

Yes, the November elections, critical.

by Cho on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 12:33:33 PM EST
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Can you elaborate a bit on the effect of the fuzzy moral/legal/ethical character of this war on the mental and emotional state of our returning troops? How does or doesn't it effect them?

Thanks again for your incredible contribution to the historical record and to increasing the public debate with you book. A big kudos!
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by ilona on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 12:43:30 PM EST
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J. Shay says that a betrayal of "what's right" is an important piece of the etiology of PTSD (which he, by the way, says is not a disorder, but an injury, a combat wound--"disorder" throws the category into a wholly unnecessary netherworld of prejudice and fear-- as, you would never say a broken arm disorder).  But it seems to me that "what's right" is betrayed by war-- by definition.  

We know that healthy people, and in fact most mammals, have an aversion to killing members of their own species. They have to be creatively trained to overcome that aversion.
We know that when soldiers are trained to kill reflexively,  they are still going to have to process later what they have done--or what they have seen done, or what they have had to admit they could do.
We know that even when whole communities decide that a particular war is necessary or worth fighting, the cost is still going to be, inevitably, the mental, as well as the physical, health of some, maybe most veterans.  "What's right" may be a factor in post-traumatic injuries, but so are horror and guilt and grief, and those are part of the experience of any war, regardless of its moral, legal, or ethical character. (One obvious example is WWII, which is perhaps the closest thing in the 20th C to a "just" war.  No body knows how many soldiers came back from that war and spent the rest of their lives in institutions, lobotomized or miserably emotionally compromised.)  

What I am saying is that any modern war, especially when high-tech weapons are used, will leave everyone who gets too close, combatants and non-combatants alike, with unspeakable memories. It is entirely possible that what they can't forgive or forget represents what is most honorable in our soldiers and veterans and is anything but a disorder. But whatever it is called, it is an invasive, terrifying, life-destroying illness that can be managed, to some degree, for some people, but, at least to date, is incurable.  

Of course, if veterans with mental health issues don't get support when they come home, they are twice wounded.  
But perhaps the best way to create a healing homecoming environment for soldiers is to create forums for seriously investigating how to eliminate the sources of, the contexts within which, PTSD occurs. Some of the Vietnam vets I know have found that kind of work deeply satisfying.  Otherwise, those of us who care and those of us who need care will always and forever be trying to catch up.

We're not going to get answers to questions that we don't ask.
Think about the divine right of kings 300 years ago.  Think about slavery 200 years ago. Think about the many ways that women were the property of the men in their lives 100 years ago (Thanks, Bill Ury for that thought.) War is a state sponsored institution and state sponsored institutions can be, have been, overthrown.  

by Penny on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 03:40:29 PM EST
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When viewed that way, we recognize that war itself is a fatal disease that we can hope to eradicate, just as we had essentially, for all intents and purposes, eradicated smallpox and polio (until its recent resurgence?).

by Cho on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 04:49:24 PM EST
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So much to chew over. In all of it, I try to remain hopeful that we can find a way one day -- even if it's beyond the span of my life -- where we can live together in peace, tapping resources for help and assistance rather than for war.
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by ilona on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 10:22:18 PM EST
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I was watching the Dem female Senator panel on Lary King last night.  The frustration expressed was palpable.

Especially hot was the issue of helping the Vets.  This can't keep happening.

Our only hope is to reverse the tables in November.  I honestly don't see another way to get our guys taken care of.  The majority is so screwed up in their priorities...

I can also hope they read your book and actually learn from it.  They sure as heck need to, for all of our sakes.

by kfred on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 12:41:50 PM EST

Yes, only those who provide a date/timetable.  Didn't know the vote was that lopsided.  Gosh, wonder if it's a political thing?

by rba on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 12:47:19 PM EST
...and for stopping by to chat.

Best,

Jeff

by Jeff Huber on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 01:01:58 PM EST

Penny ,you are most welcome here and you will find a supportive group of PTSD activists as well.  You hit the nail on the head when you say that we can no longer afford to use our people to wage war.  Especially for stupid wars on behalf of dissembling administrations of either party for I blame both political parties for their complicity.

This is not going to get anything but worse.  Every soldier who returns from combat physically and/or psychologically injured weighs on the national shoulders and soul whether or not it is openly acknowledged.  The effects to the entire culture are deleterious and every citizen must be made aware that this is THEIR issue, not just the military and their families.

Kfred, you have been reading my mind.  While lay people can certainly volunteer to help with social supportive functions which NOBODY is doing, PTSD is the toughest of afflictions (absent the psychotic disorders)and really must be handled by pros.  However, that said, the missing element for most of those who suffer is the social support.  Having just spent a few days at Yearly Kos in a wheelchaor, I can attest to the natural desire to avert one's eyes when seeing someone in distress and this happens  in a massive way on the community level with PTSD. In order to help ,you must also feel the absolute betrayal, the abandonment, the chaos, the brutality, and the anger at "normal" life--this is a lot for a lay person to handle.  It is frequently too much for mental health professionals to handle either and takes up a good bit of one's training--protecting one's psyche from the anguish and brutality.

  Social support is the best way for the average person to get involved.  Start an outreach family support program in your community.  Just do it. Start an Adopt a Soldier and Family program. Go through your church, the YMCA, the schools, the local government, your neighborhood association.  Get lists of military families in your area and make them meals, stop by their homes, babysit , let them know that YOU KNOW that their lives are very difficult.  Then put pressure on your elected officials -start with your town government. We don't have to leave this all to the VA for they are given an impossible job with the funding they are given.  Soldiers issues are our issues. And not just on those holidays when we trot out the flag for the garden flag holder. We sent them to war so we must take care of them for the rest of their lives.  Perhaps if the cost of war was truly borne by the electorate, they wouldn't be so damn quick to send them out again.  

by DEFord on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 01:10:03 PM EST



by Cho on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 01:12:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You hit it right out of the park.
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by ilona on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 01:43:48 PM EST
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"Lists of military families in your area...." First, how does one go aout doing that.  And second, have you tried this?  Was it well received?

by Penny on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 09:21:58 AM EST
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Penny, for Adding another Much Needed study on All of this!!

by jimstaro on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 08:26:01 PM EST

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