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Body Count in the Next World Order

by rcs1

Much has been made of the American casualty count in our war in Iraq.  U.S. forces have suffered more than 2,300 deaths and over 17,000 wounded.  Some refer to these figures as the "horrible human price" of Operation Iraqi Freedom.  Others sneer at these numbers, and consider them a trifling compared to the casualty counts of earlier U.S. wars.

To a large extent, the debate over war casualties is moot.  Body count is seldom an accurate measure of success in war, nor is a low own force casualty rate a reason to support one.  You can have no casualties and still lose a war; you can have millions of casualties and still win.  Likewise, some wars justify millions of casualties and some wars don't justify a single one.  

There's a tendency for many military thinkers to compare World War II to all the wars that followed it.  In most cases, such analogies are flawed.  

Below the fold: the Next World Order body count...


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America did not join the allied side to "liberate the freedom loving peoples" of Germany and Japan from their oppressive political leadership.  Either actively or through passive acquiescence, the German and Japanese populations supported their totalitarian governments.  We were not merely fighting Hitler and Tojo.  We were at war with their entire nations, nations that were better prepared for war than we were at the outset of hostilities.  While in retrospect we view attacks on civilian populations like the air raids on Dresden, Nagasaki and Hiroshima with mixed moral judgments, we need to modulate those judgments by considering the context in which we took those actions.  Never before had an alliance of nations engaged another one in a truly global war with a stated objective of unconditional surrender of the enemy.  Such a war has not occurred since, and hopefully never will again.

Some estimates peg the number of deaths incurred during that war at over 62 million.  The total property loss is likely incalculable, as is any attempt to determine whether the results of World War II justified its cost.  It did, after all, lead to a half-century of Cold War between the victors with the U.S. led western coalition on one side and the Soviet bloc on the other.

But at least we can say of World War II that it began with formal declarations of war and ended when formal documents of surrender were signed by recognized authorities of the vanquished belligerents.  

The "third world" proxy wars that the Cold War spawned were undeclared and produced indecisive results at best.  Hostilities in the Korean Conflict ended in a tie with the signing of a cease-fire agreement.  North Korea still gives us security fits.  Our Vietnam terminated in a scramble to catch the last plane out of Saigon and a bitterly divided United States.

Examine later U.S. military incursions in Grenada, Lebanon, Somalia, the Arabian Gulf, and elsewhere, and you won't find a single decisive "victory" or achievement of long-term American political goals in the bunch.    

Many might argue that America's persistent pursuit of arms superiority and willingness to apply it in key hot spots was the "constant pressure" that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War.

But what good did that really do?  From all indications, the Soviet's demise only served to let the cats out of the corral, and America has shifted from a generational war against the Evil Empire to another one against the Axis of Evil, the evil doers, the evil ones, the forces of evil, those who would perpetrate evil, evil geniuses and all the other minions of Doctor Evil.  

How many casualties does America need to sustain to counter all that evil?

The answer is very, very few.  Despite what the Rovewellian mind control machine would have us believe, terrorism is not a military problem, it's a law enforcement and diplomatic issue.

Al Qaeda doesn't have an army, or a navy, or an air force, or even a state department.  Nobody's facing an April 15th deadline to file tax returns with the Islamo-fascist Revenue Service.  Nobody elected Osama bin Laden to power, and his strategies weren't crafted by a think tank called the "Project for the New Jihadist Century."  Radical militant groups are sustaining far greater casualties than U.S. forces and whatever remains of our "coalition" are, and yet who has a recruiting problem and who doesn't?

Who's doing something right in the Global War on Terror, and who isn't?

Can more Americans killed or injured in a misdirected military effort turn the tide?

I seriously doubt it.  

I also seriously doubt whether more terrorists killed or injured or captured can make much of a difference either.

But guess what?  I've spoken with more than one influential retired senior military officer who thinks war serves the purpose of keeping the world's population in check.  Seriously.  

I've asked these characters if they think maybe proliferating modern birth control methods throughout the third world might not serve the purpose of keeping the global population in check as well, but they shake their heads no.

That would be encouraging immoral behavior among primitive peoples, they say.

And besides, if we controlled population through modern birth control rather than war, what would happen their high dollar retirement jobs in the military industrial complex?  What, they're going to make the same kind of money they're making now lobbying for the condom industry?  

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The Next World Order Series:

Part I: America's 21st Century Military

Part II: Network-centric Warfare

Part III: America's Military Industrial Complex

Part IV: The Revolt of the Retired Generals

Part V: What Good is War?

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Commander Jeff Huber, U.S. Navy (Retired) writes from Virginia Beach, Virginia.  Read his weeekday commentaries at Pen and Sword.

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I can think of so much to say on this subject that I can't anything at the moment.  This is simply unbelievable and unacceptable.  

by standingup on Thu Apr 20, 2006 at 11:17:44 AM EST
...but I really needed to cut things off at around 1k words.

It's simply incredible how many people are willing to abandon our "values" in order to promote them around the world.

And who think that sort of logic makes perfect sense.

by Jeff Huber on Thu Apr 20, 2006 at 11:31:20 AM EST
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That would be encouraging immoral behavior among primitive peoples, they say.

Would these guys then go on to berate 'moral relativists'?  I'm sure their answer would first consider just which morals are being challenged.  

The same guys can't handle the thought of a nipple's dark edge at halftime but can calculate the necessary scaling back from 'too much' of their choice target?  

It seems to me that we're living through Fellini's script played out on Orwell's stage.  Dante never saw a thing so funny!


by luaptifer on Thu Apr 20, 2006 at 12:25:17 PM EST
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...but they surely are magnificent.

I've often had the thought pop into my head that if we were to travel back in time 100 or more years, asking individuals if they would trade their lives in for a life in the century of 2000, what would they say?

Would they trade their lives to live a time when there would be instant communication among all peoples of the world, a time where knowledge would be at your fingertips on any subject that you fancied, a time when people routinely lived into their 80's and 90's in good health, etc. etc. etc.

I imagine more would chose to live in our time just to have such power. Those of us living today really are special in that way, in my opinion. We have a front-row seat to some of the most magnificent revelations and events that humankind has ever witnessed.

Hence, the popularity of popcorn. :o)

The average person who'd have taken the ticket to the future probably wouldn't have understood when they made their choice how stressful and even dangerous having so much information and technology at our fingertips could really turn out to be.
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by ilona on Thu Apr 20, 2006 at 01:17:00 PM EST
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travel fortunately.  my training is in biology and on top of that I've always gotten a kick from studying humans' foibled nature.  

we can be pretty damn funny when we're not trying ;-)

considering evolution and adaptation, however, the best comparisons are to our closest cousins, chimps and bonobos.  beyond the fact that they're as entertaining as on our good days, it's the differences between closely-related genes of related species that help tell scientists what those genes do.  

I'm not going far down that path but a very cool example comes from comparison of chimp and human genomes.  because of the differences between obviously comparable DNA and protein sequences, molecular biologists identified sets of genes in humans that have degraded 'meaning' in chimps.  

accumulating evidence by comparing genomic sequences shows that, even to the point of if you don't use 'em, ya lose 'em, one set of identifiable chimp-human differences is seen in DNA that leaves our cousins speechless.

meanwhile, Executive Branch specimens of our own species are missing-link evidence that, despite the same set of genes functioning only in part, they're obviously important components of the ability to speak freedom, liberty, and democracy until lockjaw hopefully sets in.

anyhow, much simpler comparisons are also neat to consider. I particularly am fascinated with findings that higher primates -- and other mammals too -- behave differently among groups in ways that we desribe evidence of cultural differences for humans.  

it's not only that the furry cousins are special cause they use tools, but different troops of chimps may use the same tools in different ways or have traditionally distinct tools that produce the same result. even more intriguing but fuzzy in memory is that I think some scientists claim what I'd term 'sectarian' differences in performance of an apparently 'religious' rain-dance between groups.

We're an entertaining bunch of species :-)  

It's when I make the driving approach to NYC or prepare to cross the Chesapeake Bay Bridge that I'm dumbstruck with the awesomeness of us hairless wonders.  Go ahead Psn swagger and beat your chest. YOW but don't look now, us Homos are pretty damn incredible for chimpsters!.  

The magnificent 'grasp of tools' we've mastered over the hairy cousins speechless and dusty too often hits with another awe that's opposite in its momentum.  

Again I'm dumbstruck but in horror.  Then I wish that our ancestral gene pool forebears had punched the 'wisdom' whose function Nature has selected among conflicting bonobos.  Unspeakable -- HUMAN -- obscenities we have done, in Auschwitz, Rwanda, or even chasing progress down the tear-trail across two civilized New World continents.

It's not only leverage of violence we get mixing smarts and tools but it shouldn't be the first tool of human conflict resolution.  Nah, I really envy the furry ones here.  Well sure, chimps do make war and savage their fellow chimps.  We need lessons from the bonobos on this one.  Conflicting interests in extreme, and we blast massive holes with Daisy cutters or worse.  

Rather than blasting holes, bonobos build bridges and alleviate conflict while, I'm sure, they foster mutual good feeling.  Somehow, our brains are bigger and our skyscrapers taller but I still don't understand how it came to be that fights between our furry cousins are resolved by making "whoopie" instead of war?

There is definitely something that went wrong when our family tree branched the last few times!  Even timetravelling back a century is not going to fix that one.

Bummer :-(


by luaptifer on Thu Apr 20, 2006 at 06:15:04 PM EST
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...beyond my means, but I really appreciate that you took the time to write it all out. You scientists are an incredible bunch. Thank you for sharing some of this insight; I already feel better about myself.

We're pretty 'damn incredible' chimps, indeed, lauptifer. :o)
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by ilona on Fri Apr 21, 2006 at 02:19:04 AM EST
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Good points.  I've concluded that the people who talk the most about morality and values are those who posess the least of them.

by Jeff Huber on Thu Apr 20, 2006 at 02:04:52 PM EST
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the loudest to profess their rightness and righteousness are often the most in doubt.


by luaptifer on Thu Apr 20, 2006 at 02:21:11 PM EST
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world has it become the mission of our armed forces to be the morality police of the world?  

by standingup on Thu Apr 20, 2006 at 12:45:07 PM EST
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...the ever increasing spread of fundamental Christianity within the military.  Combine Pat Roberts with more firepower than the rest of the world combined and watch out!

by Jeff Huber on Thu Apr 20, 2006 at 02:10:14 PM EST
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Horrifying that some military officers actually think population control is one of war's benefits. And they actually say this out loud? Sigh.

It really is becoming a world I just don't understand when these types of sentiments are actually said out loud. I'm sure there were always those who believed such things in the past; yet, they knew enough to keep from actually vocalizing sugh base things. Now, anything goes. Say whatever you want. BuschCo and the right-wing machine have given legitimacy to the free and unfettered dissemination of the most insane and dangerous ideas.

Whatever the market will bear, of course.
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by ilona on Thu Apr 20, 2006 at 01:06:46 PM EST

...I've even heard more than one retired officer say that God would be on our side if we decided to wipe out the entire Islamic population.  

You  just never know about people.

by Jeff Huber on Thu Apr 20, 2006 at 02:12:24 PM EST
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Can you imagine how secure the US would be if we had 100,000 trained soldiers at home, doing stuff like border patrol, customs inspections, immigration checks, stadium security.

Now, I'm not one for police states, but it sure seems to make more sense to me for all those soldiers to be at home, combating terrorism (at the only place you can).. Instead of over in the middle-east stirring up support for terrorism.

Let's say you do blow up one 'terrorist training camp'.. there will be another one somewhere else.  Imagine if you spent the same 200 billion, 800 billion, etc. on new jobs, improving foreign economies, heck, even a Nike ad-campaign that uses propaganda to win people over.  

It's like the war on drugs..  You can't win.  You can only make enemies, and victims and suffering.

by intranets on Fri Apr 21, 2006 at 07:54:46 AM EST
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