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PTSD Discussion

by rcs1

Read D.E. Ford's, Jeff Huber's and I.L. Meagher's Blaming the Victim: The Politics of PTSD at the ePluribus Media Journal and discuss it here.

Do you think, if the Americans who truly support the troops knew about these shenagins that they would be astonished by what their government is doing?

Illustration by Stoy. Other ePluribus Media Contributors and Fact Checkers: Zan, Stoy, Cho, Standingup, Vivian, JeninRI, lilnubber, kfred


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I'm still trying to find out what connections Webb used to get his foot in the door.

by Jeff Huber on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 10:59:11 PM EST
Has anyone looked to see:
1.  WHo he made campaign contributions to
and
2.  Is he listed as a gov't vendor and has he rec'd any contracts?

(You probably already have looked, but you made me wonder about it....<g>)

by kfred on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 12:01:53 PM EST
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Your article mentions his '89 - Y2k service with the Marines (connections).  Also noted the administration's extensive use of "faith-based" orgs now ensconced in every single main and sub-agency.  You might take a look at the 2004 Plum Book under the VA heading [.pdf] for positions filled.

They've also submitted a list of updated excepted positions in the 28 Nov Fed Register.  

by rba on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 12:35:33 PM EST
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This whole thing just turns my stomach and befuddles my mind.  I just cannot fathom not taking care of our guys.

by kfred on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 11:54:20 AM EST
I just received this last night in answer to a diary I had posted at SoapBlox/Chicago and thought it might be suited to include in here, too. I think  the commenter gives an honest overview of some of the problems in the field we're up against.

Not surprisingly, the problems flow downward from the very top (emphasis mine):

There are two or three things you mentioned I will comment on.  The total number of troops that have served over here is a shaky figure.  I am currently serving in OIF IV.  That is the fourth full rotation of troops that have cycled into and out of the theater of operations.  The actual physical numbers have varied from time to time, but for the most part have held static around 138,000 troops.  The high has been around 161,000 and the low is supposed to be the current force target of around 131,000.  All those numbers are arbitrary.  They can be manipulated, by delaying, or expediting a unit's deployment, or re-deployment window.  

If you take a median number of oh say 135,000 and multiply that times 4 I think it is safe to say that somewhere over half a million troops have served over here.  That doesn't factor in a lot of things.  A lot of the people I know have caught two and three deployments to Iraq.  I can expect to soon see people that will be over here for their fourth tour.  So without a doubt those figures of half a million are just that figures.  

For people who want a home life, that makes life extremely difficult.  Right now the Army is pretty much on a year on year off schedule in the active duty forces.  They are trying to stagger that a bit by supplementing with the Guard and Reserve.  What those figures don't take into account is the number of Private Contractors that are over here.  The post I am stationed at has 34 different companies doing business over here alone.  Not all of these contractors are american companies.  Egyptian, Filipino, turks, pakistans, and indians are all employed by the Army over here doing different jobs from cooking, to driving a truck.  Hungarians have a sub contract from KBR to clean our port a john's.  I have no idea what the precise figure is, but I would estimate it pretty close to the same number of military in terms of the number of civilians over here.  War is big business.  This is not Vietnam.  

The corporate face of Rumsfeld's army is changing.  The Army used to be built around a self-sustained concept.  The idea was to keep civilians off the battlefield.  Most of the jobs KBR does for Army used to be done by Army support personnel.  Our cooks in the Dining Facilities over here count the number of people that come in the door.  KBR and its "sub-contracted" personnel do most if not all of the cooking.  This is the very notion of the Rumsfeldian Army.  Any job a soldier does that is not combat in nature we are going to hire a civilian to do and pay that civilian more.  This is what you can expect to see in Iraq for 2006.  An increase in the number of contracts for unit work activities.  Civilians will take over a lot of these jobs, and the military will either be sent home, or tasked out on physical security missions.  So those numbers I mentioned at the top will appear to decline, but the level of activity over here will pretty much stay the same.  Expect to see that kind of manipulation the closer we get to election day.

-On PTSD I can say that it doesn't necessarily take a traumatic event to cause someone to have a crisis.  One of the people in my unit suffered an immense change in attitude just by merely crossing the border.  A peculiar thing indeed to get the deer in the headlight look or "thousand yard stare" just by breathing the air up here, but it does happen.  (The air is probably polluted at that.)

-On General Eric Shinseki I have to say was one of the Army's Gemstones.  He was a very down to earth guy who told it as it was.  He was an officer who was a strong soldier's advocate.  He used to scope things out for himself and often did them unannounced.  General's have a habit of letting people know before hand that they are going to be "in the area" and they need to clean their act up before hand.  This is usually followed with a buzz of activity like picking up cigarette butts and other things that generals should never see.  

When Shinseki was 1CD commander he used to drive around to his motor pools quite unannounced and see what the soldiers would be doing.  This is quite different from the usual dog and pony shows that soldiers are quite accustomed to with dignitaries.  So what kind of leadership will it take to end this War?  The boots on the ground kind that sees what the real problems are?  Or the kind that flies in for a turkey snack at six in the morning and then leaves?  If Bush was smart he would fire Rumsfeld and hire Shinseki to be the Sec. of Defense.  I understand that this is not a job that Shinseki necessarily wants, but in reality I don't think he has a choice.  His country needs him.


I'd be really interested in hearing your comments on this, Commander Huber.

Thank you...

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by ilona on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 12:02:48 PM EST

The commenter is right on all counts, and especially that privatization is the bane of our defense forces.

Our chow halls, transportation, and all equipment were maintained by military personnel when I was in the service ['USAF 66-70] in the "era".  The only civilians working on the base(s) were in the BX (PBX), and the occasional contract reps who came to select installations for seminars/training on new equipment.  IMHO those policies should not have been changed.

If you're question is how to change direction, or return to rational staffing policies, the answer is the same:  legislation is required.  Doubtful any change will come in the current Congress.

Peter Singer, now a Senior Fellow, Foreign Policy Studies @ Brookings, has written extensively on privatized military forces.  

by rba on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 01:21:35 PM EST
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And this is an angle here again that we don't seem to hear much about: that Rumsfeld and this administration have so changed the face and structure of our military. Who gave them that right? Was it discussed with Congress? Or the American people?

Doesn't seem right that an administration which holds office for a limited # of years should have the right to so extremely change the way that our military is for decades to come.

Thanks for your thought-provoking answer, rba.

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by ilona on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 03:16:34 PM EST
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on this series. You guys have a lot to be proud of here.

by Vivian Pettyjohn on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 01:25:20 PM EST

This incredible articel?

Relevant on many levels.

Well done, ePM.


by NYBri on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 01:31:41 PM EST

...as I did my daily (or is that nightly? :o) search on PTSD. When I read it, it very quickly came back to me. I remember this murder-suicide case from my PTSD Timeline research (the database now has 69 combat-related PTSD incidents - sigh). Thanks for nudging me and others here back in its direction. A must-read piece. We need to see more like this in our major media outlets...sending them a note of thanks ASAP.

Thanks for being another set of eyes and ears on this, NYBri.

On PTSD Combat | Email list | Book
by ilona on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 03:11:41 PM EST
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That poor reporter - you can just hear the helpless guilt coming through his "voice".  I see Ilona had this in our PTSD timeline.  It's one of the most heartaching things to see.

Thank you Bri.

by kfred on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 03:34:10 PM EST
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treating soldiers like this is not unique to this war.  But your efforts to have it stop here are important and laudable.

I want to commend all the hard work and concentration on this issue.  This is precisely the kind of issue that people who are of the same generation as the soldiers can most effectively address.  Please keep at it.

I know some people who work with the GI Rights Hotline, and they deal with these issues all the time.  They too can be your allies.  

by Captain Future on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 11:46:51 PM EST

If you can send that info to Commander Huber or D.E. Ford at editors@epluribusmedia.org, they might be able to get that "resource" information into their next installment...

Thnks!

by Cho on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 10:07:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Saturday, 11 February 2006
ANYTIME THE VA WANTS ANOTHER STUDY OF PTSD -

WE HAVE B.G. BURKETT'S "STOLEN VALOR" TO THANK!

Not having the balls to blatantly stab Veterans in the back here in the United States, B.G. Burkett and his right-wing Tugboat crew of Veterans for Bush have taken their "Stolen Valor" views to turn back the clock on research and treatment of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) across the border to Canada for discussion.

In doing follow up research on the roll of toilet paper "Stolen Valor," I ran across this association to B.G. Burkett.

A 2005 Guest Editorial in the Canadian Journal of Psychiatry called "Troubles in Traumatology" in which Burkett is thanked for his contributions and comments, although B.G. Burkett is neither a Psychiatrist nor has a PhD in Psychology. What is wrong with this picture?

I give proper LINK to the article and paraphrase extracts from those parts that are of interest to Veterans and Military Families only. I had to rewrite it to translate the medical jargon.

What I wish to highlight is the fact that the same arguments and attacks made here are the same excuse made by Neo-Cons in the Congress, Bush appointees within the VA itself, plus anyone else who supports yet another look at (study of)PTSD. Folks it is all just more right-wing NEO-CON smoke and mirrors to DIVERT more money from the VA to pay for the War in Iraq without having to Repeal Tax Cuts for those not sacrificing anything for the War Effort.

The smoking gun: Check out who paid for this Guest Editorial to appear in a Foreign Journal? A grant from the National Institute of Mental Health (Grant Number  MH 61268 to be exact) That is right U.S. taxpayer money is being used against America's Veterans. If that is not grounds enough for Veterans to raise Holy Hell, I don't know what else will get you off your feet to protect yourselves. If the right-wingers will go after PTSD using taxpayer money, what will be next Agent Orange?

Note also that the Department of Veterans Affairs has contracted with (you got it) the National Institute of Mental Health, Bethesda, MD to do yet another study on PTSD. How fair would any study be? Read on to find out.
Bobby "Indy Thinker" Hanafin

Extracts from the article, "Troubles in Traumatology," By Richard J. McNally, PhD.1

Read Bobby's Post...
But I'll leave you with a thought:

A recent Incident just may have the Detrimental Effects on a certain person to bring on a case of his own PTSD.

And that Certain Person is none other than big brave pRes. dick cheney, wonder if he's still sleeping soundly, this time he was Witness to what happens!!

Than again!!


by jimstaro on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:43:08 PM EST

closed minded, but I don't get these people.  
At. All.

Jim, thanks for posting this information.  

I keep getting this guy confused with the TANG guy who witnessed the bush folks cleaning up his air guard file.

(oh, and ignore my fireworks, just a little cele'brating carried over.)

by Cho on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:47:32 PM EST
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added to the ePluribus Media Commmunity site blogroll?

Just thought I would ask!


by Cho on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 03:36:44 PM EST
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That I took the liberty of adding it already. His tireless efforts deserve recognition.
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by wanderindiana on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 04:18:23 PM EST
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Mind at all!!

Should have read yours before replying to previous, middle right hand finger now needs more coffee!;-]

by jimstaro on Wed Feb 15, 2006 at 07:23:40 AM EST
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That my attempt, don't really have the time to put up much personal commentary and most of the articles/reports etc. say what I feel, at blogging is already listed on the righthand side blogroll, 'Imagine A World Of...'.

I use it as I did a website, I used to have, to post up Links and Information I have the time to collect.

I'm also a onehanded, not a writer, typist, as I only have partial index and middle fingers, work related accident years back now, on my left hand. So typing, which I wasn't good at before, is really tiring now!!;c}

Getting over a cold, which kept me out of work yesterday and now today, so doing abit of catching up.

by jimstaro on Wed Feb 15, 2006 at 07:21:14 AM EST
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[At least somewhat of a Tribute]

I had sent the 3 part series to Jay at Coalition for Free Thought in Media, his once Yahoo Group untill Shutdown by Trolls now over at Google Groups, along with some other boards and individuals.

Jay in turn sent it over to Bobby and he posted the links and his comments in an Entry over at Veterans For Common Sense as Subject:

Three Part Series: Blaming the Veteran for PTSD                                               Hippocritic Oath vs. Hypocritic Oath

Posted By Bobby Hanafin at 8:11 AM

This is what he has to say at the bottom of his post:

It is a three part series called, "Blaming the Veteran: The Politics of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder"
Commander Jeff Humber, USN-Retired, D.E. Ford, M.S.W, and I.L. Meager have done and OUTSTANDING job in showing how PTSD became part of the American vocabulary after the Vietnam War as its affects on veterans became widely publicized.

They note now, a new generation of American veterans are again victims of PTSD. This series explores the impact of politics on the funding, diagnosis and treatment of veterans suffering from PTSD. It examines the propaganda used to justify a reduction in benefits to veterans with PTSD and the effort to redirect blame for the ravages of war to the soldiers themselves.
Part I: Stacking the Deck - With trillion dollar estimates for the Iraq war, the Bush Administration looks to cut costs, eyeing treatment for the returning PTSD wounded veterans.
Part II: Ration & Redefine - Redefining PTSD and substance abuse as moral/spiritual failings opens the door to cheaper unregulated, unlicensed faith-based "treatments".

Part III: Malign & Slime - Use of Propaganda to stigmatize veterans seeking help, reduce benefits to veterans with PTSD and blame the soldiers for their own illness.

ePluribusMedia

(BOTH PART II AND III THOUGH NOT MENTIONED BY THE AUTHORS HAVE ROOTS IN B.G. BURKETT'S "STOLEN VALOR" ATTACKS ON PTSD AND GAVE THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION THE FORUMLA REQUIRED TO DISMANTLE NEAR 30 YEARS OF RESEARCH INTO THE TREATMENT OF PTSD - INDY THINKER).

The LINKS above cover the OUTSTANDING series which is long but well worth the read.

Until next time when hope I simmer down,
Bobby "Indy Thinker" Hanafin
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[You'll have to read the beginning of the posting to get the 'Simmer Down' statement in the signoff]

by jimstaro on Wed Feb 15, 2006 at 10:59:40 AM EST

I tried to promote your Falluja commentary... but something is wacked... wouldn't let me post a comment either...

That is one very very important story...

by Cho on Wed Feb 15, 2006 at 11:52:34 AM EST
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Why you couldn't comment in the posting. I had forgot to close a Bold when I added the bottom about Sir! No Sir!, so everything after the opening b was Bold.

I had posted this over at booman tribune and noticed the replys were following all in bold so changed it there and they went back to plain script.

Finally was able to get in and edit it here, after a couple of tries.

by jimstaro on Wed Feb 15, 2006 at 02:42:19 PM EST
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I tried.

It looks fine now...

Excellent write up too. I am afraid we will never know what really happened in Falluja ... the evidence was bulldozed away and hauled off in trucks.

by Cho on Wed Feb 15, 2006 at 04:55:24 PM EST
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