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The Manchurian Veterans -- Discussion Open

by rcs1

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In his Manchurian Veterans article, Cmdr. Jeff Huber, analyzes what is known -- and not known -- about the G.I.s who suffered severe damage from service to their country by being used as human test subjects.

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Stories of American service members returning from the Middle East wars with physical and emotional scars have focused national attention on the plight of the country's combat veterans.  But still overlooked are G.I.s who suffered severe damage from service to their country as human test experiments.  The tale of the uniformed guinea pigs who participated in America's Cold War mind control program is, perhaps, one of the most disturbing chapters in the history of the country that became the world's "sole superpower."

Mind Control Gap
The United States Army established its chemical experimentation facility at the Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland in 1917. But it wasn't until 1954 that Edgewood became a temporary duty station for G.I.s who volunteered to participate in Project MK-ULTRA and more than 150 other projects involved in the Central Intelligence Agency's mind control program.


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In the early 1950s, reports of Chinese and Russian brainwashing techniques used on U.S. prisoners of war during the Korean Conflict had reached American intelligence operatives. In 1953, eager to close the perceived gap in mind control capabilities during the heart of the "red scare" era, then CIA director Allen Dulles launched a mind control program of his own.

To head the project, Dulles named Doctor Sidney Gottlieb, a shadowy figure whose personality reflected the bizarre and horrifying nature of the mind control program itself.
The Sorcerer
Born in 1918, Sidney Gottlieb was a clubfoot and a stutterer who earned a PhD in chemistry from the Chicago Institute of Technology. He became chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's experimental interrogation programs in 1953.

By some accounts, Gottlieb often took LSD, locking himself in his office and taking extensive notes of his psychedelic experiences. Gottlieb is also alleged to have been behind plots to disable or assassinate foreign heads of state, including Fidel Castro, by covertly exposing them to deadly or psychoactive drugs.

Much of what is "known" about MK-ULTRA is anecdotal. In 1972, Gottlieb destroyed most of his clinical records by order of Richard Nixon's CIA director Richard Helms. Before he died, Gottlieb testified before Congress that the CIA had administered LSD to at least 40 unwitting subjects who included prison inmates and brothel patrons. Other sources suggest that the real number of unwitting subjects was exponentially higher. Martin Lee and Bruce Shlain, authors of Acid Dreams: The CIA, LSD, and the Sixties Rebellion, state that CIA operatives tested LSD by agreeing among themselves to:
...slip LSD into each other's drinks. The target never knew when his turn would come, but as soon as the drug was ingested a ... colleague would tell him so he could make the necessary preparations (which usually meant taking the rest of the day off). Initially the leaders of MK-ULTRA restricted the surprise acid tests to [their own] members, but when this phase had run its course they started dosing other Agency personnel who had never tripped before. Nearly everyone was fair game, and surprise acid trips became something of an occupational hazard among CIA operatives.... The Office of Security felt that [MK-ULTRA] should have exercised better judgment in dealing with such a powerful and dangerous chemical. The straw that broke the camel's back came when a Security informant got wind of a plan by a few [MK-ULTRA] jokers to put LSD in the punch served at the annual CIA Christmas office party ... a Security memo writer... concluded indignantly and unequivocally that he did "not recommend testing in the Christmas punch bowls usually present at the Christmas office parties."

Experiments with consenting subjects were, if anything, even more sadistic. One group of volunteers was given LSD for 77 consecutive days. Other volunteers were given LSD and locked in deprivation chambers. Some were recorded in therapy sessions while under the influence of LSD, then forced to listen to tape loops of their most degrading moments while confined in straight jackets and again dosed with the psychedelic drug.

Another reported experiment involved injecting subjects with barbiturates in one arm and amphetamines in another. That method was eventually discarded because it often killed the subjects.
The Sorcery Unveiled
MK-ULTRA first came to public attention in a 1974 New York Times article. That launched two government investigations into CIA activities, the congressional Church Committee and presidential Rockefeller Commission probes. In an address to the Church Committee, Senator Edward Kennedy said:
The Deputy Director of the CIA revealed that over 30 universities and institutions were involved in an 'extensive testing and experimentation' program which included covert drug tests on unwitting citizens 'at all social levels, high and low, native Americans and foreign.' Several of these tests involved the administration of LSD to 'unwitting subjects in social situations.' At least one death, that of Doctor Olson, resulted from these activities. The Agency itself acknowledged that these tests made little scientific sense. The agents doing the monitoring were not qualified scientific observers.

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Commander Jeff Huber, US Navy (Retired) was a flight instructor, operations officer of Carrier Air Wing 9 and the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt, and commanding officer of VAW-124, an E-2C Hawkeye squadron. Jeff's satires on military and foreign policy affairs have appeared in Proceedings, The Navy, Military, and GlobalEar. His essays have been required student reading at the U.S. Naval War College, where Jeff received a master's degree in national security studies in 1995. He recently co-authored an article on command and control of naval forces for Jane's Fighting Ships. Stop by Pen & Sword. He is an ePluribus Media contributing editor.

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Thank you all for shedding light on this.

by Cho on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 09:15:11 AM EST
I was used as a Human Test Rat in Project SHAD, the Navy's secret task force, under Army orders in 1969.

I won't bore you with the details.

You are all welcome to utilize my online cache of documentation here:

http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=55

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What I've found interesting from the moment I first heard of it is the hypothetical connection between MK ULTRA and our Bio-Chemical Weapons experiments.

None of us [SHAD Veterans] can seem to acquire our COMPLETE medical records.

There is some question as to precisely WHAT was on those sugar cubes the Corpsmen passed out to us, claiming they were "like boosters".

Also, I'd like to point out that the head of the Smithsonian at the time of their joint venture with Project SHAD, called the Pacific Ocean Biological Survey Program, that studied whether pelagic birds could be used as "avian vectors" to spread various microbes...was a PSYCHIATRIST.

Hmmm....

The POBSP was concurrent with SHAD and MKULTRA.

Just one of life's little oddities.

J.B. Stone, ETN-2, USN, 1967-70

by JB STONE on Fri Dec 01, 2006 at 11:44:24 PM EST
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I never did the drug...never saw the drug...but it's still around: Gordon Todd Skinner?

http://www.usenet.com/newsgroups/rec.drugs.misc/msg00512.html

Before he was sentenced, Pickard made a lengthy statement to Rogers, saying he had authority from the federal government to communicate with drug traffickers and manufacturers in 1997 and that his job description with the state of California specifically included interviewing drug manufacturers and traffickers.

Pickard said that he told a DEA special agent and an assistant U.S. attorney that Gordon Todd Skinner was concealing a chemist and a
laboratory tied to the drug ecstasy. Skinner was linked to the LSD case
and testified against Pickard and Apperson during the LSD trial. Federal officials didn't take action with the information, Pickard told the judge.

"I leave you with those thoughts, sir," Pickard said to Rogers.

(my emphasis added)

by avahome on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 10:15:37 AM EST
for any interested in recommending:

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by Cho on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 10:16:55 AM EST

Great work, Commander and crew, as always. So glad to see this story at ePM. Outstanding work, heartbreaking injustice.
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by ilona on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 11:11:47 AM EST
There are two other categories of medical treatments that we need to make sure are NOT entirely excluded in this area and are contemporary.

  1.  Anthrax vaccinations - they were deemed medically necessary, suspended for a bit because of adverse results, and then reinitiated.
  2.  Blood clotting drugs administered in the field to soldiers in blood loss crisis.  Articles today on AP, AFP, etc.  Some of these soldiers are experiencing high rates of stroke and blood clots during recovery.

The first one is the iffy one.  They were so sure anthrax would be encountered when we went into Iraq.  Not enough testing of the drug was done initially.  In a way, the soldiers "trialed" it for the drug company.  Those who were given the vaccine should be watched for long term issues and paid.

The second one is more of a clinical decision - it is viewed as a risk/reward situation.  The soldiers given this drug would die in the field without it per the physicians - they would just bleed out.  Using it buys them time to get into a controlled situation where if complications arise then they can be handled.  I really don't have a problem with this one.

by kfred on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 02:17:35 PM EST

To much of what this Nation have done to the Military Troops, and a number of experiments or policies to the civilian's, have been covered up or simply lost to apathy!!

Much needs to be brought to light so we can knock down this Arrogance we have of Ourselves!!

We might than Learn how to treat others!

by jimstaro on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 03:13:03 PM EST

This story is ample proof of the vulnerability and peril the military would be further subjected to if the current free market trends continue with their evident lack of oversight, accountability, social and moral responsibility to the health and welfare of the individual.  The free market move to an "All Volunteer" military is a sorry misnomer when you draw heavily from the ranks of those with lower socioeconomic status. When one has few to no options, it is hardly volunteering.  But that is the so-called beauty of the free market. If you want something for nothing, free marketize it. It is how the cost conscious wage war! You do whatever you want to your guinea pigs with no muss, no fuss, no bother. Humans have demonstrated how well they do without specific rules governing behavior, oversight and accountability.  I believe it is called anarchy at worst and crime at best.

by DEFuning on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 10:42:46 AM EST
It was all over the TVs and Net yesterday and also today, but he is proposing a draft.  That's speaks to DeFuning's point of "free-market".

If Rangel wins out (which I will be surprised if he does) we'll hear very large squeals from the "I want my MTV" crowd.

At the least, the very least, it will make people stop and discuss the possibility and how it will affect their children.

by kfred on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 11:09:09 AM EST
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by avahome on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 12:04:23 PM EST
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Dangerous remedy

Military doctors in Iraq say that Factor VII saves wounded soldiers, but other doctors and medical research suggest that it can cause fatal clots

The drug, called Recombinant Activated Factor VII, is approved in the U.S. for treating only rare forms of hemophilia affecting about 2,700 Americans. In a warning last December, the Food and Drug Administration said that giving it to patients with normal blood could cause strokes and heart attacks. Its researchers published a study in January blaming 43 deaths on clots that developed after injections of Factor VII.



by jimstaro on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 07:44:22 PM EST

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