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Snoopgate: Here Come the Landmines

by rcs1

(Breaking Stuff)

Based on a tip from a little birdie: here's one of the things I suspect Messrs. Bush and Gonzales have in their back pockets as a close-in layer of defense in Snoopgate fiasco


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Section 1802, Subchapter I, Chapter 36, Title 50 of U.S. Code: Electronic surveillance authorization without court order; certification by Attorney General; reports to Congressional committees; transmittal under seal; duties and compensation of communication common carrier; applications; jurisdiction of court[.]
(a)

(1) Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General certifies in writing under oath that--

(A) the electronic surveillance is solely directed at--

(i) the acquisition of the contents of communications transmitted by means of communications used exclusively between or among foreign powers, as defined in section 1801 (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title; or

(ii) the acquisition of technical intelligence, other than the spoken communications of individuals, from property or premises under the open and exclusive control of a foreign power, as defined in section 1801 (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title;

(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party; and

(C) the proposed minimization procedures with respect to such surveillance meet the definition of minimization procedures under section 1801 (h) of this title; and if the Attorney General reports such minimization procedures and any changes thereto to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence at least thirty days prior to their effective date, unless the Attorney General determines immediate action is required and notifies the committees immediately of such minimization procedures and the reason for their becoming effective immediately.

(2) An electronic surveillance authorized by this subsection may be conducted only in accordance with the Attorney General's certification and the minimization procedures adopted by him. The Attorney General shall assess compliance with such procedures and shall report such assessments to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence under the provisions of section 1808 (a) of this title.

(3) The Attorney General shall immediately transmit under seal to the court established under section 1803 (a) of this title a copy of his certification. Such certification shall be maintained under security measures established by the Chief Justice with the concurrence of the Attorney General, in consultation with the Director of Central Intelligence, and shall remain sealed unless--

(A) an application for a court order with respect to the surveillance is made under sections 1801 (h)(4) and 1804 of this title; or

(B) the certification is necessary to determine the legality of the surveillance under section 1806 (f) of this title.

(4) With respect to electronic surveillance authorized by this subsection, the Attorney General may direct a specified communication common carrier to--

(A) furnish all information, facilities, or technical assistance necessary to accomplish the electronic surveillance in such a manner as will protect its secrecy and produce a minimum of interference with the services that such carrier is providing its customers; and

(B) maintain under security procedures approved by the Attorney General and the Director of Central Intelligence any records concerning the surveillance or the aid furnished which such carrier wishes to retain.

The Government shall compensate, at the prevailing rate, such carrier for furnishing such aid.

(b) Applications for a court order under this subchapter are authorized if the President has, by written authorization, empowered the Attorney General to approve applications to the court having jurisdiction under section 1803 of this title, and a judge to whom an application is made may, notwithstanding any other law, grant an order, in conformity with section 1805 of this title, approving electronic surveillance of a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power for the purpose of obtaining foreign intelligence information, except that the court shall not have jurisdiction to grant any order approving electronic surveillance directed solely as described in paragraph (1)(A) of subsection (a) of this section unless such surveillance may involve the acquisition of communications of any United States person.


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This is a classic wiggle room piece of legislation.  At issue will no doubt become what constitutes a "United States person," and...

...the proposed minimization procedures with respect to such surveillance meet the definition of minimization procedures under section 1801 (h) of this title; and if the Attorney General reports such minimization procedures and any changes thereto to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence at least thirty days prior to their effective date, unless the Attorney General determines immediate action is required and notifies the committees immediately of such minimization procedures and the reason for their becoming effective immediately.

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I'm listening to Carl Levin lambast Bush and Gonzalez on MSNBC with Mrs. FED Chairman right now.  I hope his staff has  alerted him to this U.S. Code landmine.

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Mrs. FED Chairman is talking to Senator John Cornyn now, and he's steering the conversation back to the U.S. Code Law shown above.

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Part B looks to be a wall for them.

You say "how do they define "United States person"?" is of issue.  I see the vagueness.

What DO you suspect.  I believe it would have to go to the Supreme Court for a decis....

Oh, hell.

by kfred on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 08:20:45 PM EST

An earlier part of the bill defines US persons.  In a nutshell, US citizens and aliens here legally.

by Jeff Huber on Wed Dec 21, 2005 at 11:32:03 AM EST
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The relevant portion is this:    i) the acquisition of the contents of communications transmitted by means of communications used exclusively between or among foreign powers, as defined in section  1801 (a)(1), (2), or (3) or

 (ii) the acquisition of technical intelligence, other than the spoken communications of individuals, from property or premises under the open and exclusive control of a foreign power, as defined in section 1801 (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title

Here's a link to the staute:  http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001801----000-.html

As you can see, section 1801(a) is definitional re: the meaning of "foreign power".  Subsections (1), (2) and (3) do not reference "terrorist organizations" which are referred to in subsection (a)(4).  Thus, Section 1802 does not cover electronic surveillance re: alleged communications with terrorists.  It only covers coomunications with agents of a foreign government, or a political faction within a country (but which does not primarily include US persons), or organizations openly acknowledged to be under the control of a foreign government.

Once you realize the definitions exclude terrorists from the scope of 1802 (and also US persons who are not agents of foreign governmentsor political factions therein) it becomes clear that Bush cannot rely on this statute for any help in providing the necessary legal authority for his actions.  I've noted that Gonzales has not raised this statute as a legal basis for their warrantless wiretaps.

Hope that helps.

Steven D

I cut and pasted the answer from an Email. (I doubt he'll mind) I don't know much about lawyerin', but Steven D does.

I may still get my cheap beer impeachment party yet! lol

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Drinking Liberally in New Milford
by Connecticut Man1 on Wed Dec 21, 2005 at 08:38:31 AM EST

I was going to have champaign and everything... OK, so it was really cheap beer! But I was going to have it. I want my cheap beer IMPEACHMENT PARTY damnit!

I really hope this law is not applicable.

But I am not a lawyer.

Can you hide this from the wing-nuts before they find it here? lol jk

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Drinking Liberally in New Milford
by Connecticut Man1 on Wed Dec 21, 2005 at 03:26:07 AM EST

I can just about guarantee you Gonzales already has all these cards hidden up his sleeve.

by Jeff Huber on Wed Dec 21, 2005 at 11:30:54 AM EST
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